Dr. Jen (00:00):
It's probably the most neglected thing anyone ever thinks about throughout their day, and it's the best thing that you could do for your body overall.

Cori (00:08):
It's ditching the ego to go back to those basics.

Dr. Jen (00:11):
Actually being able to adapt the movement, being able to find a way to change it actually makes the movement harder. It doesn't make it easier.

Cori (00:20):
That intentionality with training is everything.

Dr. Jen (00:23):
You always have the ability to choose the next day. So show up and choose again.

Cori (00:29):
That was Dr. Jen Fraboni, or as most people online know her, Docjenfit. And if you've ever seen one of her videos, you already know why I was so excited to have her on. Jen's a doctor of physical therapy who's helped millions of people move better, feel stronger, and finally get out of pain. Not through quick fixes, but through understanding how the body actually works. She's been featured everywhere from shape and self to Good Morning America. What I love most about Jen and why I really wanted her on the show is that she's changing the conversation about what it means to be strong. It's not just about lifting heavier or pushing harder. It's about slowing down, tuning in, and building strength that lasts through every season of life. So if you've ever felt like your body's holding you back or that modifying means you're not working hard enough, this episode will shift how you think about movement, recovery, and what strength really looks like.

(01:25):
So let's dive right in with Dr. Jen. I have to always start with the question about strength because strong is one of my favorite words and there's a bazillion different definitions and I'm always curious how people define strong and even how that definition has changed over their life. So when you think of the word strong, what comes to mind? How do you define that? How has that definition even changed becoming a mom, being a physical therapist?

Dr. Jen (01:50):
Strengthen me, I feel like it's so beyond just what the body can do, but it's that ability to persevere, to go forward even when it's messy, to go forward even when it's not what you expected or anticipated or hoped for or thought it would look like. Whatever that is, it's like, how am I still choosing to move forward the next day? And maybe it's, I've taken a week off, I've taken a month off, I have not been able to do something and it's choosing still the next day to show up and to do the thing, even if it looks messy, even if it looks the way that you didn't think it would. Strength to me is that ability to go forward because it is hard through all of life's different transitions and phases that we go through.

Cori (02:37):
I love that because it's honestly built through those things that we overcome both physically, mentally, emotionally. And if we didn't have those struggles, we wouldn't really see our full strength even.

Dr. Jen (02:50):
Right.

Cori (02:52):
And so when we think about strength, it is those struggles. It can be hard to push through them. What do you think is the biggest thing holding people back from overcoming those obstacles to really reveal what their true strength is?

Dr. Jen (03:06):
I think that comes in so many different forms depending on where a person is. I mean, that could mean you just need to slow down a bit. Maybe you're pushing too hard, you're going through the classes that are just getting you through and super hype and really fun, but not allowing you to really understand where your body is in space and slow things down and feel the strength, feel what you're doing within your body. I mean, and I think in another sense, it could be that life is just so overwhelming that it is hard to slow down to even see what you need to do or where you need to step in. And so in some cases, sometimes asking for accountability, asking for help. I think becoming a mom that's been one of my greatest lessons ever is that I don't have the motivation to just get up and do the workout or do the thing anymore.

(03:54):
And so I have text accountability with moms of like, "Okay, what did we do today? Who walked? Who worked out? Who needed to work out? " And then I also have a friend, mom friend who comes over and works out with me. So I have a set time, a set ... I don't have any excuses that I can make, whether it's work more or just lay on the couch or sleep or whatever. I have to then get up because I have someone coming and relying on me to get a workout. And so I think there's sometimes where strength doesn't just have to depend on ourselves. And I think that's hard too, to understand and wrap your head around because being strong, you can do this. It's all this idea that it's all about you and you are the one that has to push through. You are the one that has to do it all when that's not the reality.

(04:48):
And being able to lean on other people and ask for support can sometimes be the strongest thing that you can do in whatever phase of life that you're in.

Cori (05:00):
I can't agree more because so often we see vulnerability as a bad thing. Asking for help as a bad thing. We see the lone wolf, right? When actually the lone wolf is seeking a pack, it isn't strong on its own, but there is strength in vulnerability and being able to ask for help while it can be the scariest thing, requires strength to actually do and might be the thing that truly moves us forward. I also love that you touched on slowing down because I think that is probably the unsexiest secret to actually building strength and results.

Dr. Jen (05:35):
A thousand percent couldn't agree more.

Cori (05:38):
And that's all, I mean, it all comes back to that's so important for rebuilding, like slowing down to speed up, right? You get injured, you've been out. The last thing we want to do is not just rest and jump back into it. How do you get somebody to slow down to ultimately speed up and see better results?

Dr. Jen (05:57):
I think sometimes it has to take a change of scenery. Maybe it's not always going ... I love if someone loves the community and the group and whatever circuit class that they're in. I think that's great. So still do that because if it brings you joy, if it brings you community, that's amazing. Outside of that, where areas that you can slow down? Maybe it's hiking, maybe it's as I'm taking a step up, I'm not going to just rush through this. I'm going to see what does it feel like to push through my foot a little bit more? What does it feel like to lean this way or move this way or slow down? So where else in your life can you find areas of slowing down? And maybe that's picking up a different class or maybe that is trying out some strength training that looks a little bit different than your typical class.

(06:45):
So how can you find those ways of slowing down? And even if that is in your class, maybe you're telling your coach, "Hey, I've been dealing with some recurrent injuries. There's a lot going on in my body. So when we're doing these circuit clip exercises, I'm just going to go at my own pace. Is that okay? Don't push me to move faster." I feel like I've been told and I've heard that I should slow down a little bit more. So I'm just going to maybe use a little bit lighter weight. I'm going to modify my pushup instead of doing it on the floor because I always feel it in my upper traps and my neck. I'm going to try it on this elevated bench and I'm going to see if I just slow it down if that feels a little better in my body. I think sometimes we have to advocate for ourselves to be able to find those areas of life of where we can slow down so that we get to know our body.

(07:37):
You cannot get to know your body and what you need if you're just going to rush through it. And it's so hard to be able to say, "Okay, well, why am I having these constant tensions and these constant reoccurring pains pop up if I'm never taking the time to listen to my body?" And that happens when we can control it more. And the only way we can control movement more is when we slow it down. So I hope that this kind of gives people an idea of like, "I know it's not fun all the time. I know it makes the exercise harder to actually slow down, but try it out for a little bit and see what that does to change in your system and in your body."

Cori (08:16):
That intentionality with training is everything. And while you might be thinking, "Oh, well, I'm making it easier or I'm not getting to maximize or do the intense stuff," when you do that, you get so much more out of those other activities. And I also love that you mentioned balance with this because I think when we think, "Oh, I'm injured or I'm coming back. I can't do all the things I love," which I also want to touch on not demonizing moves, which I think you'll like that subject, but it's also that you have to meet yourself where you're at. And that means both emotionally but also physically. So you mentioned still doing the classes you love, but finding other times you can slow down or taking the class you love, but meeting yourself where you're at right now with slowing down the movements or going a little lighter in wait to be a little bit more focused on the mind-body connection because often when we do that, we're still getting the satisfaction out of it and we're giving ourselves a little bit of what we want, but also what we need so that we embrace the changes a little bit more.

(09:11):
But modifying doesn't mean making stuff easier most of the time, does it?

Dr. Jen (09:17):
No. And I hate that that's been kind of ingrained into our mind so much is like, take a modification, "Oh, I don't need to modify. I'm good. I'm strong." I'm not saying you're not strong. Actually being able to adapt the movement, maybe we just call it adaptation to the movement, changing it up, doing something different, being able to find a way to change it so that it makes it more available to your body's efficiency actually makes the movement harder. It doesn't make it easier. And I wish more people understood that because if I take a pushup from your knees on the ground and I'm going to say, "Well, I would love you to do it on your feet, but maybe we just elevate the surface. So maybe we do it on the bench instead, or maybe we do it on even a counter or a wall, something a little bit higher." You could slow it down.

(10:07):
Now your elbows aren't flaring out to the side, you're not getting pinching up into your neck and traps. You are now able to actually feel the expansion of your chest, feel your shoulder blades moving and that feels so much pressure up into your upper, like pinching into your shoulders or pinching into your upper traps because you're doing the movement differently and you're meeting your body where it's at. And that's the best thing that you can do for your body. So let's get out of this idea that modifying means that I'm making it easy or I'm not strong enough. No, I modify movements all the time. I consider myself pretty strong. And so it's really just I'm changing and adapting the movement to meet my body where it is right now for this particular exercise, prefer this particular movement because I know it's only going to be more efficient, it's going to be better, and it's going to feel better in time so that I could actually progress it the way that my body needs to, not someone else's.

(11:10):
And I think that's the other thing we have to understand. We get so fixated and focused on like, "Well, this person is doing it this way and this person said this. " And it's like, let's get out of what everyone else is doing and let's just focus on our own bodies because we're going to be in this body for life. So how are we meeting it today? How are we meeting it right now and how can we continue to show up for it better in the future? And the only way I can continue to show up for my body better in the future is by showing up for it good right now and that's not pushing it beyond what it's able to do.

Cori (11:44):
I just think that is magical and I love everything about it because for me, it's ditching the ego to go back to those basics because when we do and we modify, I like to say, I now try and take pride in doing a basic body weight glute bridge, even though I can hip thrust lots of weight, I like to do that basic body weight glute bridge and make my glutes shake within one second because that means that I have a stronger mind body connection and that means that I'm going to get more out of everything else and be able to progress other moves. Because so often what we don't realize is that being better at those basics, it's the mastery of that movement that helps us. And on top of that, we so often cheat by trying to do a harder move we haven't earned yet.

(12:25):
And then we don't get the same results for it, which makes us feel like we're working super hard not to move forward. And then we start to demonize moves because we start blaming them for aches and pains. But ultimately all this creates that cycle of holding us back from ever truly progressing because we did get caught up in ego. How can someone, if they've been training a long time, maybe they're out with injuries, they're frustrated with it, maybe they're even starting back after a period of being off, but they were that athlete. How can they ditch the ego as hard as it is and step back into what they actually need and meet themselves where they're at and then not demonize moves, but truly embrace earning them?

Dr. Jen (13:01):
I think one of the coolest things, and this comes from, I've worked with Sirkisale athletes, I've worked with some really cool, incredible people. And when you take them back to what if we tried this "easy basic movement," but we did it a little bit differently. And when you feel something light up different in your body, when you feel that instant change, it automatically shifts something of like, "Whoa, this movement, this easy exercise could feel like that, or I could target my glute that way." It automatically kind of shifts something in your mind to see that movement differently. Where before it was like, I mean, I even experienced this myself. I used to go through yoga and be like, "This is easy. I'm flexible, whatever." And then I really got a lot of training in Pilates and getting this really intimate mind-body connection and slowing things down and really getting to know these different movement patterns and feel the connection to those muscles.

(14:10):
And I remember going into a yoga class after that and having a much different appreciation because it wasn't any longer about just going through the movements and showing off my flexibility. Sure, I could do that, but it was about feeling every movement and what muscle is turning on when I'm doing this and how can I pull my leg in a little bit more so I activate my inner thigh, activate my glute. And I could feel that connection all of a sudden, that one movement as I'm holding it feels so much harder and it's so much daunting to be able to actually hold it through the entire class rather than, again, just hanging on my flexibility or hanging on some things that I could easily do. So it's like when we are able to find that connection in simple, easy movements, like the connection that gets built up to those muscles is incredible.

(15:07):
And sometimes we need a little bit of help to get there. And that's where I think myofascial tools can be super beneficial because sometimes before workout even, you can lay on a set of balls or lay on a foam roller in a certain place that maybe you don't feel that connection and do some activation, some contraction into it, relaxation into the ball and you start to map the brain into that area even before the workout. So now all of a sudden my mind is kind of tapped into my glutes, the area that maybe I don't feel fire as much. And now when I do the workout, it's already going to be mapped in my brain. So it's going to be able to fire and feel that connection through the movement. And so again, it's not just doing the movement, but it's really doing the movement intentionally and finding those, slowing it down, finding those little corrective exercises, muscle activations that bring you back into that awareness so that when you go do the larger movements, you feel such a better connection and more stability in your body.

(16:18):
Because again, it's like, what's the point of working out and lifting heavy and lifting hard if you can't sustain it long term, then there's no point.

Cori (16:28):
No, you don't get to do the fun stuff if you don't do some of the unfun stuff. And it does become more fun when you do it and then you gain that appreciation. And I've got to admit, my brain was like doing the happy dance as you were talking about what I considered to be the prehab work, because I think that should be part of every warmup. And I'm like, yes, foam rolling, stretching, activation, being intentional, feeling the muscles working. Then you go into your workouts, you get a better workout. Those are non-negotiables for me. And if you can't tell, I'm really excited about this because I love that prehab stuff. It's what really got me going down a whole rabbit hole with movement was getting an injury and then having to find all that different stuff for myself personally. But that prehab work is non-negotiable for me.

(17:06):
I feel something just flaring up because I've been sitting a little bit too much. I got my foam roller right in front of my TV, busted out. So off of that, I'm curious what other sort of non-negotiable things you have in your daily routine or you recommend for somebody who is overcoming injury or needing to take that step back to really be more intentional in their training and get more out of their workouts. What would you recommend they make non-negotiable in their day?

Dr. Jen (17:31):
You need to come back to your breath at some point throughout the day in morning, night, before you go into work, during work, whatever it may be. Yes, we're breathing all throughout the day, but how we're breathing really ties into our stress levels and the tightness, the anxiety, the deep core connection, like breath connects so much. And so if I could just take a minute, place my hands on my low rib cage, squeeze my low rib cage and try to expand my rib cage as I breathe in, pushing my hands apart rather than a lot of times we think, "Oh, I need to take a deep breath. I'm just going to breathe in and I raise my shoulders up to my ears and I take a really deep inhale and just like let it go. " That could be helpful sometimes, but really when we're thinking about intention, our diaphragm moves and it rests right underneath our ribcage.

(18:34):
We need our ribcage to expand if we want good contraction of that diaphragm. If I want my pelvic floor to be responsive, that comes from a diaphragm that's able to press down, put pressure down into my core canister, lengthen my pelvic floor, and naturally release and recoil my pelvic floor when my ribcage and my diaphragm also come up. So I need this responsive action happening, and that all starts from where I'm breathing from. So if I'm always breathing up into my chest, in my neck, in my upper traps, not only am I probably going to feel like I need a massage all day long, but I'm also going to reduce what's happening in my core canister down into my pelvic floor. And a lot of times we're told we need more kegels. We just need to be stronger down there. We just need to increase our strength, but we can't increase strength of a muscle or a muscle group, which is your pelvic floor until we have length and relaxation of it.

(19:31):
And so again, your breath connects so much into your body from our pelvic floor to how our low back is responding, to how our core is activating, to the tension that we feel overall into our muscles. No longer will you need to be digging out muscles if we're intentionally understanding where we're breathing from, no longer will we feel like our upper traps are super knotted. This plays a role so much into our body and it helps in overall recovery as well. So if I could take the time, two minutes, two minutes, random times throughout the day, place your hands on your ribcage, breathe into your hands as if you're going to expand it out to the sides forward and backwards, and then take a really slow exhale, whether it's like a really slow exhale through your nose or like purse lips like you're breathing out through straw, this really helps to reset what's happening.

(20:23):
Get us back and turn on our parasympathetic system so we can get back into that rest, relax, digest. We can get back into reducing that tension in the body. We get back into relaxing that pelvic floor, reengaging the coordination of our deep core canister without having to force or do anything else except breathe into the sides of our ribcage. It is so neglected. It's probably the most neglected thing anyone ever thinks about throughout their day, and it's the best thing that you could do for your body overall, whether you're feeling pain or just disconnection in the body.

Cori (21:00):
We talked about at the beginning all the different definitions of strength and you brought it back here where you mentioned we focus on strength in only one way, but really this better connection to our body, to our breathing is the foundation of what true strength really is. And I've even seen it where if I'm really stressed out and you try and think relax, instantly your brain is like, "Oh, heck no, I'm not going to relax." It's like, "I'm even more stressed now because you told me I should relax and now I can't relax." But if you actually take it back to a physical thing and instead give yourself focus on your breathing, you'll find that even you mentally relax and all of a sudden you feel so much more able to conquer everything else. Do you think that not only is breathing the foundation of strength helps with better movement, but also potentially the secret to how we can better embrace some of the changes we need to make that will ultimately pay off in moving and feeling better as well?

(21:53):
A

Dr. Jen (21:53):
Thousand percent. I mean, because that forces you to slow down, that forces you to observe your body, that forces this all new unintentional awareness in the body without even trying, because all you're doing is bringing you back to where you're breathing, how you're breathing and how you're slowing that down into the body. You're going to start to feel things that you haven't before. I mean, I've had someone on the table, low back pain for five years. Yes, I was doing some soft tissue work on her, but I'm guaranteeing it's not what I was doing on her. It was the fact that as I was doing soft tissue work, I was getting her to breathe differently. She was putting her hands on her rib kids. She was taking some slow intentional breath. All of a sudden she starts crying because her low back pain is gone and it was not because of my soft tissue work.

(22:39):
It was because of what she was doing to tap into a different state within her body so that her body actually had the opportunity to feel something different. And so often that's what we need. We're told, "Your pelvis is out of alignment. You need this, you need that. " And it's no, you need to come back into your body and give your body the opportunity to actually feel again. And it can start so easily just by breathing.

Cori (23:06):
It seems so simple, but it's so challenging to do. It's so hard for us to want to make a change or to make a change. How can you help someone embrace that process and even dive into these things? Because again, some of these things don't seem that sexy. It's not getting to do more, right? It's not the fad diet or quick fix or supplement or tool we get to buy. How can you help someone embrace these? And I think they're very sexy, but what is traditionally not as sexy a change?

Dr. Jen (23:36):
The number one thing is you have to do it to feel it. You have to be willing to say, "All right, that doesn't sound like it's going to do anything, but let me just see what a couple days, what a week, what a consistent feeling this could bring me. " And if it happens to create a change in your body, maybe it's something that you stick with. Maybe it's something that you're like, "Okay, this actually could do something," but you have to be open to it. I mean, so often I've learned from yogis, trainers, anyone, anyone, it doesn't matter. My clients, my patients, if you're willing to listen and learn and try something else out, then you might discover just what's needed within your own body, but you have to be willing to put aside your ego, what we talked about before, and see what else is available because again, we have our whole life to continue exploring.

(24:35):
Why do we think we have all the answers now or that something that seems simple and basic wouldn't work? What if you just tried it out?

Cori (24:44):
It does really all start with action. All the shifts that we ever have started with you deciding to take a risk and act on something, but that also brings us sort of to the difficulty of figuring out what to act on because in this day and age, there are so many different resources available and so much information out there. And I like to think of it as opportunity because you can find things that match your needs, goals, mindsets, lifestyle, all those different things. So there's not so much necessarily good and bad, although some is probably better and worse, but how do we navigate the information overload? What are some misconceptions that you wish would maybe disappear and how do you help people find the right path?

Dr. Jen (25:28):
I think if it is sold to you as the quickest fix, something that you barely need to do, something that someone else is going to do on you and it's magically going to fix your alignment, you're going to hear a crack and everything is going to be better. Let's use a little bit more discernment. We know that life doesn't work like that. We have to put in the work. So if someone's telling you, if you do this program for three months, for six months, for a year, and you're going to start to feel change, you probably will. They're selling you a long-term solution. They're selling you consistency packaged in a way for accountability. And that's like the two things that we need. We need accountability and we need consistency because especially trying on something new, we're always limited by the other things we already have going on in life, the need to create new habits.

(26:18):
It's hard. So if someone is telling you, "Hey, listen, I got a little bit of tools and I could take you along a journey to help you build in that consistency so you get to feel something in time," that's probably more real. And if it's your vibe, it's like matching what you're needing, try it out. If it's something again that's like a week, you're going to feel magic change. You do this every day and you do this one little exercise every day or you wear this tool and you're going to feel a difference. And it's like, "For what though?" We need to stop believing in these passive treatments that are going to create an active difference in your life. Our body is active. Our body needs, it needs force. It changes through stress. We actually have to stress our bodies to create change in them.

(27:12):
So what kind of stress is a passive treatment is laying on a table, someone doing something to you, it can help an immediate symptom reduction so that you can go move, so that you could go take that active action. But if someone is selling you something that you don't have to do anything to, you just wear it, you just put it on, but it comes with nothing else, you have to say, "Okay, that might be part of the picture, but what is the bigger picture?" Because that's not going to be the magic fix. We need to get out of these bandaid fixes and realize that we have the ability to heal our bodies, we have the ability to change our bodies, and we get to trust that. We can use other people to help guide us, but no one else is fixing us. We get to fix ourselves.

Cori (28:04):
And then we can never stop doing what made us better. And I want one final question before I hit you with some rapid fire questions. In terms of never stopping to do what made us better, that means we have to be consistent with those, again, boring basics and they're often hard even though they're sometimes simple or small. What are some 1% things that you would recommend someone does consistently in their day to help themselves move and feel their best?

Dr. Jen (28:34):
I would come back to the breath. That's like the 1% thing that you can do is just, where am I breathing from? How am I breathing? Am I letting go of my pelvic floor? Am I relaxing in my body or am I forcing my posture? When you breathe from the sides of your ribcage, all of a sudden you're going to notice just by trying to expand that ribcage out to the side, your body is going to naturally kind of shift upward without forcing the shoulder blades back. Your ribcage is naturally going to go over that pelvis without trying to engage anything or make anything crazy. When we come back to where we're breathing from, how we're expanding from the ribcage, gaining that ribcage mobility, we are automatically not only shifting the nervous system because now we're creating change into that parasympathetic system, but we're also changing the alignment naturally within our own body rather than forcing something.

(29:25):
So there's so much that can come out of just allowing your body to try it out.

Cori (29:35):
And it's two minutes. There's no excuses.

Dr. Jen (29:38):
Two minutes.

Cori (29:39):
All right. Now the extra fun stuff. I'm going to hit you with some rapid fire questions. So the first one, I want you to finish the sentence. My day isn't complete without ... Coffee. Good answer. Not that I'm judging. So I know we already sort of talked about some of the misconceptions and whatnot, and if it sounds too good to be True, it probably is. But what's the biggest myth in the fitness rehab space you wish people would stop believing?

Dr. Jen (30:07):
That something is going to magically fix your alignment. Movement, active movement and actually changing yourself. It can actually change your alignment, but hearing a crack only changes. It's a gas pressure exchange. It's not a magical fix.

Cori (30:24):
And I know you've also talked a little bit about perfect alignment and that sort of being a myth as well even.

Dr. Jen (30:29):
That's 1,000% a myth. We also know we have research studies that prove that there's no one perfect posture and that actually trying to force a posture can lead to more pain because you're turning on muscles and forcing something that shouldn't be.

Cori (30:42):
We are all unique and slightly odd. But that's one of the lessons I've definitely learned. And I think there's so many lessons you do learn as you work with more people, as you learn more about your body over time, as you go through some hard things. What's one of the hardest lessons you've personally learned?

Dr. Jen (31:00):
That I have to continue to listen to my body and not judge what it looks like, but actually listen to how it feels and how it moves. Especially through mom life. There's lots of changes that come with having babies and what it looks like and what it used to be. And so rather than judging what the outside is, it's continuing to observe what the inside is and how strong I can be.

Cori (31:27):
It's embracing that constant evolution. Love it. So if you need a reset or recharge, you've had a long day, what's your go- to ritual?

Dr. Jen (31:36):
Breathe. Oh my gosh. There's nothing else because I could go anywhere. I could do it anytime. I could do it wherever I need to do it, whether it's in the chaos of my children. I could lay on the ground, put my hand on my ribcage, and breathe in the playroom. It's one of the best things that I do while they're running around and muck around me.

Cori (31:59):
I don't know about that one because if I lay on the ground with the dogs, they might come over and start a lick attack. I don't know how much breathing would go on. What's something that instantly boosts your mood or brings you joy?

Dr. Jen (32:10):
A hug from one of my boys. It's like the best oxytocin hit in the world.

Cori (32:16):
Breathing as you get a hug, right? And what's one piece of advice you'd go back and tell your younger self?

Dr. Jen (32:27):
I think that there's no ever going to be a perfect time that I'm going to know my body or learn all the things. It's a continued process of learning and unlearning and trying on something new. And that is always okay. I'm never going to have all the answers and that's why I continue to learn and explore and try it on for myself so that I can help other people as well.

Cori (32:51):
It's the fun of life. And the more you know, the more you realize, oh crap. You don't know. I don't really know anything.

Dr. Jen (32:57):
Yeah, exactly.

Cori (32:59):
So Dr. Jen, this has been fabulous. So many great takeaways. I'm going to go breathe after this and relax a little bit. Where can people find you on social media or follow you if they want some help with their mobility work?

Dr. Jen (33:13):
So I'm on Doc Genfit across all social media platforms, YouTube, TikTok, all the things. And then our gen.health site, you can sign up completely free and we actually have a Discover tab in there or our Gen Health app. Again, you can sign up completely free, free. And use our Discover tab to search anything, back pain, mobility, flow, blah, blah, blah, whatever. It makes my Instagram searchable. So rather than just scrolling my page, if you know there's something specific that you need, download gen.health or sign up on gen.health, not. Com, just gen.health. It's completely free to use and explore as you need.

Cori (33:55):
Any specific projects you're working on right now that you're super excited about and want to let everybody know about?

Dr. Jen (34:01):
We're continuing to build and expand upon GenHealth, which I'm so excited about because there's some really cool features that are going to help with this accountability and community aspect because I know that's been just a game changer in my life. And already with our gen health programs, we try to make it like five to 10 minutes. It's not something that you need a lot of time to start to relearn and gain that access and control into your body. But still, that's a hard habit to continue to add in on your own. So it's like, I'm really excited for the future of what Gen Health will be and how we'll continue to help people learn about their bodies and feel something different.

Cori (34:39):
Truly building strength by learning more about your body, having that community so you're not lone wilfing it and even busting those excuses because let's face it, most of us say we don't have enough time. Now, one final question, because I want one big, extra, massive, amazing takeaway for everybody. If someone's listening, what do you want there to be one thing they remember about staying strong in their own lives?

Dr. Jen (35:04):
You always have the ability to choose the next day. So show up and choose again. Doesn't matter how it looked yesterday, show up and choose again. You got this.

Cori (35:14):
Nothing more to say. That was amazing. Thank you very much.

Dr. Jen (35:18):
Thank you.

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